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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Ron Goetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Goetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad that I will answer to God.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Nathan Duffy</title>
		<link>http://www.rhodesnetwork.com/2011/12/being-more-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Duffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

I wasn&#039;t going to reply to your post as there&#039;s nothing there (taken in the abstract, as you&#039;ve presented it) that I really disagree with or found worthy of comment. But I found it ironic that you chose to quote *that* Evangel lyric because the song that it comes from also includes these lyrics:

&quot;They go on technicality
There are choirs with men in it, effeminate, sinning with their
homosexuality
But the Savior ain&#039;t having it, He won&#039;t play averages
Or pragmatist, nor okay gay marriages
God&#039;s blood purchased us with a purpose
It hurts us when they lead in worship at churches
Which is probably confusing
They could view sin as okay as a logical conclusion
1 Corinthians 5:12 shows in this verse
That we&#039;re to judge those in the church
Put him out, not so that we got him on the run
But so he comes to his senses like the prodigal son&quot; - Evangel (on the song &#039;Hilltop Housing&#039;)

Which is a pretty amazing coincidence because I quote Evangel fairly frequently and I&#039;ve only ever heard him speak on this particular subject at length in the very same song that you chose to quote (while, I&#039;m sure, being unaware that the rest of the song contained such lyricism).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t going to reply to your post as there&#8217;s nothing there (taken in the abstract, as you&#8217;ve presented it) that I really disagree with or found worthy of comment. But I found it ironic that you chose to quote *that* Evangel lyric because the song that it comes from also includes these lyrics:</p>
<p>&#8220;They go on technicality<br />
There are choirs with men in it, effeminate, sinning with their<br />
homosexuality<br />
But the Savior ain&#8217;t having it, He won&#8217;t play averages<br />
Or pragmatist, nor okay gay marriages<br />
God&#8217;s blood purchased us with a purpose<br />
It hurts us when they lead in worship at churches<br />
Which is probably confusing<br />
They could view sin as okay as a logical conclusion<br />
1 Corinthians 5:12 shows in this verse<br />
That we&#8217;re to judge those in the church<br />
Put him out, not so that we got him on the run<br />
But so he comes to his senses like the prodigal son&#8221; &#8211; Evangel (on the song &#8216;Hilltop Housing&#8217;)</p>
<p>Which is a pretty amazing coincidence because I quote Evangel fairly frequently and I&#8217;ve only ever heard him speak on this particular subject at length in the very same song that you chose to quote (while, I&#8217;m sure, being unaware that the rest of the song contained such lyricism).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Ron Goetz</title>
		<link>http://www.rhodesnetwork.com/2011/12/being-more-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Goetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, I congratulate you for following your conscience, and for resisting the blatant peer pressure of your clergy colleagues. I know that compromising out of fear of offending conservative “political correctness” is emotionally draining. I’m sure that your congregation will benefit, now that you are no longer compromising and your conscience is clear.

I suspect you are now intimately familiar with the meaning of Paul’s exhortation, “Don’t be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind from within.” Clergy (both liberal and conservative) are so very blind to how thoroughly worldly the church is. “If thine eye be dark, how great is that darkness.”

Regarding your critics, I think Paul&#039;s attitude is a good one to adopt:

“Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.”

“As for me, it matters very little how I might be evaluated by you or by any human authority.”

On a different site, Nathan quoted an Evangel lyric: “Cause the end of our lives we will answer to God.”  I, too, glad that we answer to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I congratulate you for following your conscience, and for resisting the blatant peer pressure of your clergy colleagues. I know that compromising out of fear of offending conservative “political correctness” is emotionally draining. I’m sure that your congregation will benefit, now that you are no longer compromising and your conscience is clear.</p>
<p>I suspect you are now intimately familiar with the meaning of Paul’s exhortation, “Don’t be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind from within.” Clergy (both liberal and conservative) are so very blind to how thoroughly worldly the church is. “If thine eye be dark, how great is that darkness.”</p>
<p>Regarding your critics, I think Paul&#8217;s attitude is a good one to adopt:</p>
<p>“Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord’s help, they will stand and receive his approval.”</p>
<p>“As for me, it matters very little how I might be evaluated by you or by any human authority.”</p>
<p>On a different site, Nathan quoted an Evangel lyric: “Cause the end of our lives we will answer to God.”  I, too, glad that we answer to God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Lynda Mounts</title>
		<link>http://www.rhodesnetwork.com/2011/12/being-more-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-838</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynda Mounts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, thank you for your well-thought writing. From another Christian who happens to be gay, it&#039;s refreshing to hear more and more Christian pastors speak of how God is forming their theology, rather than just falling back on &quot;that&#039;s-the-way-we&#039;ve-always-done-it&quot; practices. Having been raised in another Weslyan-based evangelical denomination, I was pretty convinced that I was a hopeless sinner when I finally came to terms with my own sexual orientation. The church that I&#039;d called home refuses to let me be a member because of who I am. I miss those roots, that familiar feel of spiritual home. The United Methodist Church is my adopted faith family, and I feel welcomed regularly, even affirmed, by my pastor and fellow church members. Should we ever lose our pastor (God-forbid!), I hope and pray we are blessed with someone like you. Blessings on your ministry and your family!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, thank you for your well-thought writing. From another Christian who happens to be gay, it&#8217;s refreshing to hear more and more Christian pastors speak of how God is forming their theology, rather than just falling back on &#8220;that&#8217;s-the-way-we&#8217;ve-always-done-it&#8221; practices. Having been raised in another Weslyan-based evangelical denomination, I was pretty convinced that I was a hopeless sinner when I finally came to terms with my own sexual orientation. The church that I&#8217;d called home refuses to let me be a member because of who I am. I miss those roots, that familiar feel of spiritual home. The United Methodist Church is my adopted faith family, and I feel welcomed regularly, even affirmed, by my pastor and fellow church members. Should we ever lose our pastor (God-forbid!), I hope and pray we are blessed with someone like you. Blessings on your ministry and your family!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 06:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Marriage was between a man and a woman then, hence all homosexual lust (to say nothing of acts) is sin, and we can arrive at this conclusion without even consulting Leviticus.&quot;

I think every good scriptural interpretation requires both good exegesis AND theological sensitivity.


Theologically speaking... Marriage is a social contract that&#039;s been defined by those of power in society.  So, your quote does not address systemic oppression.   

Exegetically speaking...   I don&#039;t recall Jesus explicitly stating anything about homosexuality.  I know Paul mentioned it, but that was really to challenge celebrated Greco-Roman culture, rather than singling out gay community.  

God bless your ministry in Nebraska Bob!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Marriage was between a man and a woman then, hence all homosexual lust (to say nothing of acts) is sin, and we can arrive at this conclusion without even consulting Leviticus.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think every good scriptural interpretation requires both good exegesis AND theological sensitivity.</p>
<p>Theologically speaking&#8230; Marriage is a social contract that&#8217;s been defined by those of power in society.  So, your quote does not address systemic oppression.   </p>
<p>Exegetically speaking&#8230;   I don&#8217;t recall Jesus explicitly stating anything about homosexuality.  I know Paul mentioned it, but that was really to challenge celebrated Greco-Roman culture, rather than singling out gay community.  </p>
<p>God bless your ministry in Nebraska Bob!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.rhodesnetwork.com/2011/12/being-more-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-835</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! This is a message that needs to be heard and not just from the likes of me, a gay Christian. Why are people afraid to look at the scholarship that has been done instead just accepting Scripture literally? Why are they still wearing their poly-cotton blends? It makes me feel juvenile to say that. 

My heart breaks that people think that I am outside of God&#039;s love because I&#039;m a woman who loves a woman. I&#039;ve waited my whole life for God to convict my heart that this is wrong- and yet, I hear nothing. And believe me, it would be so much easier to be accepted in society if I were straight. But God is bigger than all of that- God is bigger than all of our interpretations, God is bigger than my human foibles and inconsistencies and sins, God is bigger than our lack of love and understanding.

I am so very thankful that you were willing to make a statement and stand up to the ususal &quot;Love the sinner, hate the sin&quot; commenters. I wonder what people are afraid of- why are they so scared to open their eyes and hearts and see that God&#039;s love is for all people? Criminals and Muslims and GLBT and divorced people and poor folks and rich folks and literalists and so on... Why are they afraid to look at the studies that have been done about the clobber scriptures? What took them so long to oppose slavery and rights for women? For those opposed to sharing God&#039;s love with me, a member of the LGBT community, I can only hope one day you will be ready for an honest conversation like Bob has obviously had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! This is a message that needs to be heard and not just from the likes of me, a gay Christian. Why are people afraid to look at the scholarship that has been done instead just accepting Scripture literally? Why are they still wearing their poly-cotton blends? It makes me feel juvenile to say that. </p>
<p>My heart breaks that people think that I am outside of God&#8217;s love because I&#8217;m a woman who loves a woman. I&#8217;ve waited my whole life for God to convict my heart that this is wrong- and yet, I hear nothing. And believe me, it would be so much easier to be accepted in society if I were straight. But God is bigger than all of that- God is bigger than all of our interpretations, God is bigger than my human foibles and inconsistencies and sins, God is bigger than our lack of love and understanding.</p>
<p>I am so very thankful that you were willing to make a statement and stand up to the ususal &#8220;Love the sinner, hate the sin&#8221; commenters. I wonder what people are afraid of- why are they so scared to open their eyes and hearts and see that God&#8217;s love is for all people? Criminals and Muslims and GLBT and divorced people and poor folks and rich folks and literalists and so on&#8230; Why are they afraid to look at the studies that have been done about the clobber scriptures? What took them so long to oppose slavery and rights for women? For those opposed to sharing God&#8217;s love with me, a member of the LGBT community, I can only hope one day you will be ready for an honest conversation like Bob has obviously had.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.rhodesnetwork.com/2011/12/being-more-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-834</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob you have forgot the Gospel and are preaching friendship with the world and its sins which our Lord Jesus Christ called us out of. If you truly loved LGBT people you would tell them about the sin they are commmitting. It does not matter what you believe but what the Gospel says. The Gospel is not polically correct and it is not a social Gospel or a &quot;community&quot; with non believers so you cannot compromise with the world or compromise the Gospel to fit in with worldly agendas of socially conditioning people to tolerate sin as nornmal behaviour. While jesus says we will be persecuted for our &quot;politically incorrect&quot; Christian stance, you seem to more interested in acceptance of the world that the Lord called us out of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob you have forgot the Gospel and are preaching friendship with the world and its sins which our Lord Jesus Christ called us out of. If you truly loved LGBT people you would tell them about the sin they are commmitting. It does not matter what you believe but what the Gospel says. The Gospel is not polically correct and it is not a social Gospel or a &#8220;community&#8221; with non believers so you cannot compromise with the world or compromise the Gospel to fit in with worldly agendas of socially conditioning people to tolerate sin as nornmal behaviour. While jesus says we will be persecuted for our &#8220;politically incorrect&#8221; Christian stance, you seem to more interested in acceptance of the world that the Lord called us out of.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Nathan Duffy</title>
		<link>http://www.rhodesnetwork.com/2011/12/being-more-christian/comment-page-1/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Duffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 05:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the exegetical tapdancing that&#039;s required to hold this position. It&#039;s fascinating to watch the convulsions a person will twist themselves into in order to attempt to conform their beliefs to a modern cultural standard. But let me be charitable and set that aside. Even more amusing part is that you don&#039;t deal with the central text, Jesus&#039; own words, which condemn all extramarital sex (same or opposite sex), as well as every lustful _thought_ as sinful, Matt. 5:28. Marriage was between a man and a woman then, hence all homosexual lust (to say nothing of acts) is sin, and we can arrive at this conclusion without even consulting Leviticus.

Also, this piece rather shamelessly conflates two separate issues: 1) being loving toward gay people, which virtually all Christians agree we should do and 2) whether homosexuality is a sin, as though those who think it is are therefore incapable of #1. The logic of the piece, such as it is, seems to suggest that thinking homosexuality isn&#039;t a sin and loving the homosexual community are inextricably linked. How so? I can love a liar without loving lying, can I not? 

We are to speak the truth in love. You admirably desire the latter; you seem confused about the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the exegetical tapdancing that&#8217;s required to hold this position. It&#8217;s fascinating to watch the convulsions a person will twist themselves into in order to attempt to conform their beliefs to a modern cultural standard. But let me be charitable and set that aside. Even more amusing part is that you don&#8217;t deal with the central text, Jesus&#8217; own words, which condemn all extramarital sex (same or opposite sex), as well as every lustful _thought_ as sinful, Matt. 5:28. Marriage was between a man and a woman then, hence all homosexual lust (to say nothing of acts) is sin, and we can arrive at this conclusion without even consulting Leviticus.</p>
<p>Also, this piece rather shamelessly conflates two separate issues: 1) being loving toward gay people, which virtually all Christians agree we should do and 2) whether homosexuality is a sin, as though those who think it is are therefore incapable of #1. The logic of the piece, such as it is, seems to suggest that thinking homosexuality isn&#8217;t a sin and loving the homosexual community are inextricably linked. How so? I can love a liar without loving lying, can I not? </p>
<p>We are to speak the truth in love. You admirably desire the latter; you seem confused about the former.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Melanie Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, 
You say it very well.  I, too, am a United Methodist pastor who believes that GLBTQ folks bring a depth and richness to the faith.  

For me, the gospel in a nutshell is that I am called to learn to love as God loves.  In my experience, that love is truly unconditional.  

What&#039;s more, science has proven over and over that GLBTQ people are truly born that way.  What God has created, God isn&#039;t going to then reject!

Blessings!
Melanie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
You say it very well.  I, too, am a United Methodist pastor who believes that GLBTQ folks bring a depth and richness to the faith.  </p>
<p>For me, the gospel in a nutshell is that I am called to learn to love as God loves.  In my experience, that love is truly unconditional.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, science has proven over and over that GLBTQ people are truly born that way.  What God has created, God isn&#8217;t going to then reject!</p>
<p>Blessings!<br />
Melanie</p>
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		<title>Comment on Being More Christian: Loving the LGBT Community by Ken Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m a Christian pastor who doesn’t believe that homosexuality is a sin.&quot;

That&#039;s not the position of a Christian pastor; the Bible is crystal clear it is a sin of sexual immorality. 

If you truly love LGBT people, for whom Christ died, then you&#039;ll tell them the truth and preach the Gospel to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m a Christian pastor who doesn’t believe that homosexuality is a sin.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the position of a Christian pastor; the Bible is crystal clear it is a sin of sexual immorality. </p>
<p>If you truly love LGBT people, for whom Christ died, then you&#8217;ll tell them the truth and preach the Gospel to them.</p>
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